Nothing I could do today would be an adequate tribute to those who did not survive Pearl Harbor, and those who did.
I have decided to offer a video montage of sorts.
First, the battle scene from the movie Pearl Harbor:
Next, two survivors of the infamous sneak attack:
Thank you. We will always remember.
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81 comments:
A lovely tribute.
There are far too many who don't want to remember. That's the problem.
Great movie clip. The dogfight (2 P-40 vs the entire Japanese Naval Air Force) was a bit overdone (see Tora Tora Tora for a better, though older, version) but was basically accurate.
The pilots were two lieutenant who took off from a subsidiary airfield under fire. Their base was the only airfield not destroyed in the attack, because they were there to chase off the bombers. The scored, I think, 7 kills between them. Not bad for being badly outnumbered and flying an outclassed fighter. Both pilots survived the war.
See the book At Dawn We Slept for an amazing scholarly recreation of the entire Pearl Harbor story.
THanks, Cube and Micheal!
The two pilots were amazing in their own right, IMO.
I just looked at my wall calendar and realized that Pearl Harbor Day isn't listed at all, yet tons of FOREIGN holidays are.
I'm pissed about that!
Brave men. We lost a lot of good Americans that day.
People knew who the enemy was in World War II.
Today it seems that many don't even realize that we are at war.
My Jr. ROTC teacher was one of the few who got off that day, he and his neighbor were heading to the field in his car. Later his wife said she watched a fighter strafe the road behind his speeding vehicle! They also watched a destroyer trying to get out the channel that was behind their house. Hard day!
My Dad was nursing a hangover in San Fran, he was on leave as a flight instructor at the Army Air corps base in King City!
tmw
Wonderful interviews. Good men with vivid memories. GOD bless 'em!
I enjoyed the clip from "Pearl". It was an otherwise wholly forgetable film.
Thanks!
Hiya Brooke..I'm sure the Libs think its wrong we that we fought back..arg!!!!!!!!!!!!
the survivors meet every five years and this year they say will be their last. too many are too old to make the trip. we owe them a debt.
Great post Brooke.
Video #1 - never saw that movie, I can't imagine what our men went through, great footage.
Video's 2 & 3- Gentlemen, no thank you! You are the ones who deserve that and much more.
Hi Brooke, kinda down today what with everything an all going on. Thanks for the pep up with your beautiful memorial!
JOE--You're the one from whom we got that great Seinfeld video--I used it on my site, too. Hat tip to you, of course. Thanks! I'm at:
http://dudratreview.blogspot.com/
Due to my own military duties, I was afforded the opportunity to see Pearl Harbor and the Arizona Memorial in December of 2004. It was a very humbling experience. Some of the buildings on Hickam
Field (now Hickam AFB) still bear the strafing marks from the Japanese fighters.
I also met a small group of survivors from that fateful day. Although we didn't get to talk for very long, that meeting was one of the greatest moments in my own Air Force career.
These guys went through a lot. They are old men now, perhaps we are witnessing the diminishing of a breed of men that we wished we had nowadays. Note that I am not comparing these guys with the fine people that serve in our armed forces today. It's all about values as a whole, and the people of the United States are losing these good values that was once a staple here in America.
I think the military of today is very much like those WWII guys. The men & women in Iraq know why we're fighting. It's the journalism majors that don't have a clue.
Typical. Some of you guys take this day of remembrance and turn it into an attack on your political enemies. Nice. No, NICE.
Not all of you did this, but those that did so insult those who fought and fell in World War II.
cataphract could you please give me the example you're talking about...I just don't see it in any of these comments...straw man nice NO Nice...
I suggest you play nice or you could just
go away...
AC: It does seem that men today are in a fog, devoid of reality.
TMW: That's an amazing story, thanks!
Benning: I thought that posting video "straight from the horse's mouth" would be the best thing I could do.
I feel the same about the movie.
Angel: No, even the Dems were a different breed back then. Our political parties nowadays have their heads inserted so far into their posteriors that they may never see the light of day again!
EB: I didn't know that. How sad!
Joe: Yes, indeed!
Verity: Thank you.
Lawman: That must've been an awesome moment: Seeing the Arizona and the survivors; a memory to cherish forever!
I cannot believe that there are still strafing marks on the Hickam fields! WOW!
Steve:I think the average Joe still has these values. It's the far political sides that just don't get it. The pendulum will swing the other way, though; it's return is inevitable.
Cube: Journalists aren't what they used to be, huh?
Thanks again, EB!
Elmer's brother: Womanhonorthyself did.
And brooke made a jab at multiculturalism.
And cube made the comment about people who don't want to remember. I wonder who he's talking about.
E's Bro, when I came here I did play nice. I'm a student of brooke and her fellows. I learned this from you.
A jab at multiculturalism? By being disgusted that Advent and Sinterklaas is listed this week on my wall calendar, yet Dec. 7th, a day memorializing the sacrifice of the victims of the "sneak attack" is conspicuously blank.
Well, Brookie, you probably need to get a better calendar. The first one I checked had Pearl Harbor on it. It was conspicuously non-blank. Conspiracy!
It could be... I think I'll go check outside for black helicopters! ;D
cataphract,
WHT is about the only thing I see but why does this bother you? do you somehow feel lumped in with these "whoever" they're talking about and that's why you are so upset? We have differences with the liberals and politics is often the topic here. Dude take a chill pill and if you don't like it you could just
go away.
and cube's comment could mean a lot of people....you need a tougher skin cataphract and you really shouldn't be so sensitive...I suggest you take a tip from this guy and stay away from this guy
If you wish to project into everything we say start your own blog.
or should I say start one that people read.
E's brother, I've come across your type before. Dissenters are unwelcome, you suggest. I can see that you're one of those who discuss politics, but only with those who agree with you.
And we can all get an idea who the targets of those comments were. Don't be play the naive blogger here.
The intention is clear.
OK, I'm naive, so indulge me and say plainly what you think the intentions were.
One thing I cannot stand is obfuscation.
what's your point? I have no problem with dissenters, ask Rob Bayn at Beak's. We like Rob, he's a liberal it doesn't matter. Your type is hypercritical and you lack the social skills to make your point without trying to insult what is a community of friends. Please stay but take your pseudo intellectual kumbaya condescension somwhere else.
somewhere
I discuss politics with civil liberals all the time..the uncivil ones get reviled and made fun of...there's a clue here
brooke, I guess you'll just have to ban me. I'm not multiculturally inclusive, politicallly correct or tolerant. Take it from Cataphract. We've discussed all of one subject and he knows me and all our friends already.
You'll always have a place with all the rest of us warmongering, hateful neo-neocons, EB! ;)
us eviiiiiillll conservatives! oooohhhh
Elbro, my response, if you remember, was a reponse to you.
Anyway, Elbro, when you learn to play in a civil manner, we can talk.
Brooke. Okay, I shouldn't have made assumptions about you. You've always been a good sport.
Therefore, I'd like to ask you and the authors of the other statements I commented on to explain those statements. Please be honest.
For example, Brooke, you seem to be disturbed that a very tragic and important day in American history does not appear on the calendar you have, but holidays of various ethnic groups do. I assume (and I may be wrong) that this is disturbing because it seems to implicitly send the message that the diverse (for lack of a better phrase) American culture is being minimalized. This is assuming that this is disturbing because the American way of thinking, engendered by the great thinkers of the Western Enlightenment (for the most part), has brought forth the best quality of life for the most and the most hopeful picture of what we humans can achieve here on Earth (of course these are assumptions based on my own beliefs, but beliefs I believe most of you share, and this includes the Christian tradition).
The first part of my question Brooke is this: Is this why the calendar disturbed you? Do you feel that pride and even recognition of the culture that has provided humanity's greatest advancements in the arts and sciences (and I include in this culture the whole of Western intelectual thought) is being discouraged? Has it become strangely innapropriate to be proud of this cultural ideology? That is my first question.
And anyway Elbro, I don't think anyone is evil because they disagree with me. That's dangerous.
But I question what you mean by "conservative." I suspect (but I may be wrong) that you are not a paleocon.
Anyway, when you learn to play nice Elbro, we can talk.
cataract....my response was to your comment.....
but my contention with you is not the fact that you disagree but the fact that you lack social graces and manners, this is Brooke's virtual front porch and basically you came over when her friends were and tried make something out of nothing
if as you say you are a student of Brooke you would know that this a community of friends
as such we feel free to say what we want
if someone disagrees that's fine
but
we don't try to READ something into anothers comment and veil that with some backhanded insult
now if we really cared what you thought we'd be off reading your blog
Cataract do you fear nationalism?
btw I'll let Brooke decide who's playing naughty and who's playing nice.
If labeling makes you feel like you can marginalize what I think go right ahead. My guess is you're a Noam Chomsky fan who despises nationalism. You see anarchy as the best form of government because somehow you find it almost Biblical. If I'm not close I don't really care.
cataract,
do think the comments insulted the thousands of communist WWII vets who fought for multicultarilism or the people for which we can never speak their name? (whoever that is)
no you felt this as a personal insult that's why you're upset
Okay, since you were so nice, I'll talk.
1. As far as my blog is concerned, I only started that so I could post a picture as my avatar (which I haven't done yet; the squirrel's file size is too big).
2. Nay, I'm not an anarchist. I think that it is essential that we have a strong central government with a strong, efficient military.
3. You'll have to catch me up on the communits WWII vets. That's a bit vague. What do you mean?
4. Asking me if I fear nationalism is like asking me if I fear cheesecake. Do you mean the cheescake that is yummy and makes me feel happy? Or do you mean the cheescake that makes me tubby and clogs my arteries?
YOU SAID the comments would insult the veterans...which ones? the ones who fought for communism and/or the left, fought for multiculturalism or for the as yet unnamed people you seem to think someone was mentioning?
my bit about the nationalism and such was just a bad attempt at humor since you tried to label me and you hardly know me. Get it.
Do you know any WWII vets? Are you yourself a vet? If not how can you back up this assertion you made that somehow the comments that you referenced were an insult to them? especially the multicultural bit...please my WWII vet grandfather wouldn't even know what multiculturalism is let alone the harm it's done
Oh, Ebro, you rascal.
I wrote that it was an insult to them. To lace discussion of this terrible event with barbed attacks against those of a different political ideology demeans the significance of the day. That's what angered me. To take the tragedy and try to bend it to your ideology is questionable, to say the least.
And so personal, Elbro. My grandfather got two Purple Hearts in the Pacific theatre. He was a kind man but probably didn't know what the term "multiculturalism" meant. But he was kind, and the things he did in the war never left him. Even isolated from the horror of it, it still affects us.
Ebro, Ebro. Your comment about nationalism is simply bizarre. Care to explain?
nationalism....AGAIN you labeled me and yet you hardly know me so my attempt at humor was to feign labeling you (even though I don't) GOT IT???
I know why you're upset but you're being way too sensitive here. You know after being here that the regulars to this blog have a conservative bent. With the exception of maybe one comment you read way too much into what people said. Even if it's what they meant do you expect something different after being a visitor here and "a student of Brooke's". Do you understand my point?
My guess is any WWII vet reading those comments could have cared less. I am a retired military man and if I had gone to DailyKOS, where the opposite political ideology was espoused I wouldn't expect anything else.
I understand my grandfather fought in both theaters of the war and my own combat experience, though brief effects me as well.
Elbro, Elbro. That's my whole point. I don't care what's on DailyKos. I care about this nation.
I read as much as possible into what people say. That's the point.
So what you're saying is that none of these people are serious? That these comments, these concerns are affected? Okay, I quit. Is it serious or is it not? I give up with ya Elbro. You can't ethically take the "but Rush is just an entertainer" approach. All of this has consequences.
There's a war going on between the Radical Left and the Radical Right for the soul of America. It's tearing the nation apart. What goes on here may have direct consequences on the future.
Elbro, you don't want serious analysis. You just said so. I ask everyone here (though I doubt many are still follwowing this chain): are you serious or not? If not, I don't understand why any of us are wasting our time.
Serious analysis? Is that what you call it? Hmmm how about analyzing the real enemy. I have seen him and it's not us.
Uh Florence Nightingale,
by insulting a few people because you perceive some kind of slap in the face of as yet some unnamed group? Please you should go to DailyKOS.
or get a new interpreter
besides and I'll go s l o w e r this time it wasn't your analysis it was the method in which you provided it...
the only consequence I see so far is some guy with a florence nightingale complex who condescendingly thinks he can fix everyone else and doens't have the socialization skills to provide that MUCH needed help without pissing everyone off
How much do you charge? is it by the hour? the session?
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, you say Elbro? You're changing the subject.
Our enemies are terrible and must be dealt with. Every conflict has its consequences. I would like to think that we could minimize the negative consequences.
But you didn't answer my question. Are you serious?
Nice one though with the insult while you lecture me about my method (sarcasm). Except in your comment about service (gratz, sir). That seemed sincere. I appreciate that.
you sir started with the lecture with your first comment...we can agree to disagree...no problem there...My point this whole time has been to help you understand that the way in which you pointed it out was condescending
you're upset that you percieve some kind of insult yet you started off with one yourself
I know of our enemy, I fought him in Iraq he's not here at neoconcommand center...if you want to take the fight to him you should try and do some real good and enlist
if you mean your question about whether or not they are serious about an insult to some as yet unnamed group or some ideology run amok (multiculturalism)....hmmm just who should they apologize to....you...you seem the only offended...we could call all the professors together at the local university and ask for their forgiveness and beg for community service
hateful conservative, reporting for duty, SIR!
Elbro, Elbro. I may condescend, but I was tutored here.
The fact is that your only answer to my criticism is that the statements I questioned weren't serious. Was they?
Who should be apologized to? The American people. How dare any person take something like the attack on Pearl Harbor and use that tragedy to further modern political agendas?
And nice to try to hide what this group stands for. I dissented once here and was labeled a commie/potsmokng/hippie/socialist/babykiller/_________ (you fill in the sensational blank).
You're right Elbro, but I know that you haven't and can't (or won't) defend what these people said. Are they serious or not?
Don't change the subject.
the subject as I have brought it up check the thread was the way in which you conducted yourself....
I never called you a baby killer but you found it in your heart to label me for which I retaliated by with your own weapon...cry me a river...Ask them if they're serious. That wasn't my point a g a i n I' l l g o s l o w....comport yourself sir and then we will have civil conversations.
condescendingly taught here...no one asks you to come and save us from ourselves how dare you and your were the only one who read any of these statements as offensive
projecting again
your outrage is truthfully hilarious because in my mind AS A COMBAT VETERAN I don't find the comments offensive, neither is the sky falling because you find some veiled political jab at some as unnamed political group in any of this...if you do that's your problem and you can deal with each individual commenter as you see fit
the way I understand it the only one you could possibly have anything to say to is WHT and even that was pretty mild as she didn't name anyone specifically
I recommend a hot bath, perhaps a cruise and a sabbatical
To begin with, that you've fought for the nation is noble. Again, thanks. We need you.
Besides that, answer me question. Did these ladies and gentlemen mean what they wrote.
It's that simple. Answer the question. Quit trying to change the subject.
And few ever asks to be saved. The wretched often don't know that their lives are wretched. Those who grew up in want (like my family) don't know that they want.
Did these folks have a political aim with their questions?
Quit the naive bloggery.
I just told you to ask them. How do I know what they mean.
No, not naive...an overreaction on your part to one comment that had a vague political reference to it (no names like pelosi or kerry etc) and now you want everyone else to be outraged when we don't perceive the insult.
Besides DailyKOS could use whatever snake oil you're peddling much worse than anyone here.
BTW who is going to apologize to the American people for multiculturalism? Since it started in Canada let's blame them.
It's true look it up at Wikipedia.
I appreciate the appreciation
Cataphract: No, in response to your question, I am not disturbed by the supposed minimalization of American culture by the omission of Pearl Harbor Day. What disturbs me is the inclusion of, for example, such minor foreign holidays as Sinterklaas, which is basically Santa Clause day in the East.
Why does that merit a special mention, but not a day on which thousands were killed and many more injured? Are those lives so insignificant?
I do think that it has become vogue to be distainful of America, even to the point of snubbing her honored dead.
You said: "I read as much as possible into what people say. That's the point."
On this blog, I try to lace some serious moments with humor, and occasionally sarcasm. OK, maybe a LOT of sarcasm. That's just my tone, so sometimes reading really far into my commentary isn't such a good idea. I wear my comments on my sleeve, and you will find that I do not enjoy playing word games.
Sometimes, as Freud would say, a cigar is just a cigar.
You refuse to answer the question.
And the link is comic trickery.
You really don't care do you. This is a joke. You really don't want to answer the question.
Since no one will say otherwise, these folks defiled the memory of those who fell at Pearl Harbor.
This is as un-American as you can get. And your defense, Elbro, is just as indefensible.
I won't say it's treason, because true Americans value actual debate.
By the way, Elbro, your reference of Pelosi and Kerry demonstrates two things:
1. Your reference to them as boogeys (don't deny this; this was your choice) clarifies that you've been lying to me. You are a Rushite Neo-neocon.
2.You say I overreact. Yet I fight for the soul of America. I suppose that's only worth comment when it's flashy.
Elbro, you should really adopt a "Precious Moments" history of America.
Brooke, it's comedy when you choose it to be. That's the tactic of Rushites and Mike Churchites. If anyone ever calls you on a fact, you say "It's a joke" or "He's and entertainer, take it easy, it's just for fun." And the whole time you try to influence folks. And when it's time to be serious, you say, "Great God! those illegals are killing 12 Americans a day."
Seriously, you guys can't have it both ways.
And one more time, please, any of you, did you really use a forum to honor those who fell at Pearl Harbor to put forward political ideology?
You did. Not one of you has had the courage to dispute that.
Shame on you.
Not at all. I have freely admitted being wrong on this very blog, but I try to fact-check what I say in order to keep that to a minimum.
And why can't I be serious one moment, and funny the next? Good lawd, man, If I had to pick one or the other, I'd die of boredom!
And this post, in it's original form, was indeed meant to honor those men. Do not dare to presume that because I allowed the discussion after that post to wander into a political debate that my intentions were anything but.
Shame on you for that assumption, and in case it needs any clarifying, I am quite serious right now.
The point is Brooke that we can't shift between the two (comedy and seriousness) without warning. That's a dishonest trick.
It's Elbro who has been dancing back and forth.
Brookie, you've been kinder to me than I deserve. Whether you believe it or not, I'm trying to make the world better.
Bless you, dear.
Since Nanc reported for duty, I'll let her man the battlements until tomorrow morning.
Gooood night!
cataract you really are too funny. you refuse to name names call me a paleocon and then get upset because you assumed they meant left wingers holy cow dude you just blew a gasket this is getting more hilarious by the minute
How am I supposed to know what anyone else is thinking Dr. Cataract?
Dancing back and forth about what? I never interjected politics into my very first comment, your problem is with someone else hahahahahaha not me sir.
If you had only taken the time to get to know some of us rather than start with the insults you would know that anyone who reads Angel (WHT) knows she is a friend to the military..I am retired military as is Steve H. So there is not insult here.
Where do you think I lied to you and who is Mike Church? I assume you are talking about Rush Limbaugh?
Dishonest trick....you really take yourself too seriously dude...I haven't had this good a laugh in a long time.
I could totally understand your point if I thought there was some overt attempt to insult veterans, this isn't the case. You've made something out of nothing and you've been heard.
Could you please explain to me what I am defending? YOU came here insulted some people and then blew a gasket over nothing. The thing I have said to you is that your Florence Nightingale complex is not needed here. Now rush off to DailyKOS and give them your prescription.
Here I found you one.
And one more time, please, any of you, did you really use a forum to honor those who fell at Pearl Harbor to put forward political ideology?
It started out as a way to honor vets until you came along.
you call the comments barbed attacks Hahahaha but no one is named. It's hardly an attack my friend. If it is it was a limp wristed one.
just what needs defending anyway? What political ideology was put forward? none of the vets here (and Brooke is one of them) has said they've been offended and you just insulted half of Brooke's friends.
Now if you want the answer to your question ask whoever put forward that political ideology and offended you.
cataract,
Let's try to wrap this up before Brooke bans you for bad behavior
Miss Cleo the clairovoyant said
Elmer's brother: Womanhonorthyself did.
And brooke made a jab at multiculturalism.
And cube made the comment about people who don't want to remember. I wonder who he's talking about.
a jab at multiculturalism = insulting WWII vets? weird math but you said it
Okay you tell me who are they talking about? I mentioned kerry and pelosi as example...just pulled them out of a hat....assuming that's who you thought they were talking about.
Who is it?
Not all of you did this, but those that did so insult those who fought and fell in World War II.
You're neither a WWII vet or a vet as far as I can tell. This is a straw man.
The intention is clear.
Okay I give, who is it?
But I question what you mean by "conservative." I suspect (but I may be wrong) that you are not a paleocon.
Miss Cleo fails to treat people as individuals. Another example to follow later.
To lace discussion of this terrible event with barbed attacks against those of a different political ideology demeans the significance of the day.
I give again who specifically do you think they meant? who specifically were they talking about?
How dare any person take something like the attack on Pearl Harbor and use that tragedy to further modern political agendas?
What SPECIFIC political ideology perpetrated the tragic fallacious event?
I dissented once here and was labeled a commie/potsmokng/hippie/socialist/babykiller/_________ (you fill in the sensational blank).
Which thread was this? That's quite a list.
Besides that, answer my question. Did these ladies and gentlemen mean what they wrote.
Ask them I wasn't offended and as I said before if they were serious it doesn't offend any of the vets that post here. It only offends you.
Your reference to them as boogeys (don't deny this; this was your choice) clarifies that you've been lying to me. You are a Rushite Neo-neocon.
Hey Brooke what is a Rushite Neo-neocon? Is that an insult? Should I be pissed? I used Kerry/Pelosi as an example that I pulled out of thin air, assuming that you assumed with your powers of clairovoyance that that was an example of who they were talking about.
Second example of wanting to label someone instead of treating them as an individual. I am not sure where I lied to you as I don't know what a paleocon, Rushite neo-neocon or who Mike Churchite is.
Since no one will say otherwise, these folks defiled the memory of those who fell at Pearl Harbor.
the sky is falling because ms. cleo was offended...please find me some WWII vets who are offended by those comments
Yet I fight for the soul of America.
Then you need a pair of glasses because you're fighting the wrong people.
Precious Moments" history of America.
hmmm don't know what this means
Whether you believe it or not, I'm trying to make the world better.
I believe you cataract.
okay - first, i'd like to thank brooke for such a fine tribute to our veterans! kudos!
secondly - there is barely a thing worth having that isn't worth fighting for.
thirdly - sometimes war is the ONLY path to peace.
fourthly - our nation is great because of our veteran/warriors one and all.
lastly, but not leastly - catamaran: get a real life. i have a feeling you won't make any buddies at this forum - we love our people in uniform, each and every one...unless they become a spineless traitor. now, please stfu and have a great saturday.
p.s. - could you please wear a red crescent or an upside down star or sickle so we'll know not to defend you WHEN the time comes. otherwise we'll just go by the yellow stripe running down your back. thank you ahead of time.
Nanc, you're doing what Elbro is accusing me of doing. Look at my other posts. War is often necessary.
Elbro, Nanc's statements demonstrate my point about who I learned my manners from. My early comments were mild and reasonable, and I was attacked.
If Brooke were to ban me, she'd prove my point for me.
The point is none of you have answered my questions. That saddens me, because the best lack all conviction.
None of you admitted that you meant what you said. I've meant everything I've said (note - unless it was sarcasm: I said I'd make a note).
What the three I mentioned (specifics Elbro; look above) said was an insult because it was like saying at a funeral, "Bob was a great guy, but Mayor Jones is an idiot."
It lacked class and patriotism.
I'm leaving because you guys are afraid. You're afraid that you're not right. You can't defend your comments. You rely on namecalling and changing the subject. Look to Nanc and Elmer's Brother.
Brooke, I understand now based on something that Elmer's Brother said. He described this as your virtual front porch. I'm new to this, so I apologize for this reason: your front porch is your own; you are a group of friends as Elbro said. This is for fun.
None of you would admit that your statements should be taken seriously.
I'm sorry Brooke. You're the only one here that seems to have any real conviction.
P.S. Elbro, try to focus. Your quotations you pulled from my comments are entirely out of context. Wait, lemme ask (though I'm wiping this blog from my favorites), do you understand what "context" means? Clearly not.
Bless ya Brookie.
my comment about the post never mentioned politics, so therefore I have nothing to defend.
the other commenters comments IMO do not rise to the level of an insult. As of yet there are no vets complaining about this faux insult of yours.
My comments were in context. I still have not figured out where you think I lied and for what I should defend.
You came here and crashed a family gathering. You got your feelings hurt because there was some really vague reference to some unnamed political ideology, that you think somehow included you (you thought you were being called unpatriotic) so you tried to make up for it by feigning that the vets were insulted. As of yet you have not produced one vet who felt insulted so your premise is moot. As for you leaving you started with the insults and then you get pissed because someone insulted you back. That's the context.
Your dissent would have been welcome if you tried to become part of the family, got to know us a bit and then like all good families we'd try to understand our differences rather than insult each other. You lack the social skills to make your point hence the backhanded insults and b*tch slaps you recieved.
Goodbye cataract, G_d speed. I suggest you take your couch and the medication you wish to prescribe to someone such as DailyKOS. There you will see real revilement and barbed attacks.
What the three I mentioned (specifics Elbro; look above) said was an insult because it was like saying at a funeral, "Bob was a great guy, but Mayor Jones is an idiot."
This was your interpretation. No one else reads it like that. Instead of asserting that you could have said it's my opinion or you could have asked the specific commenters to clarify their statement. Instead you layed the smackdown, no matter where you learned it it's bad form.
None of you would admit that your statements should be taken seriously.
You mean the vague statements that you interpret as an insult.
As for pulling your quotations out of context...I suggest you define your terms. I told you what I didn't understand and I fully expected an answer. Instead you took your ball and went home.
Cataphract- Whenyou walk into a gathering of people who have known and interacted for a while, the wise thing is to sit down, sip your drink and listen. There are nuances you need to learn before jumping in! Some of what sounds like insults aren't what they seem, some of what sounds like frivolous statements aren't. You need to learn the language spoken here. Then you will understand the depths. I do not see what you were upset about, and I read back through more than once! You are not making a connection, your communication is falling short. Sorry, but your outburst made no sense!
tmw
"brookie"?
ah-oh.
EB, TMW, thanks for your input, and Cataphract as well, though I believe that he would do well to follow TMW's advice. I tried to explain the same thing earlier, and EB exhaustively tried to do so.
Nanc: "Brookie?"
I know. I feel like I'm back in the third grade. LOL!
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